Hostage Negotiator Tells His Stories retired police officer Jerald Barnes

“In fact, I would... choose tyranny over complete anarchy... that's only because I have seen what happens when you have anarchy. And what you get out of that is mob justice, because people are not going to feel afraid... It's never enough to satisfy the mob. Right. So then they go around and smash other things.”

“But also defunding the police is not gonna help the situation at all. We have crime... Now you're asking the police to be social workers and all this other stuff, and, and that's not what we do.”

“Can I go to Anne Wagner and say, Hey, can I meet with you now? Unless I got a couple of hundred thousand dollars I wanna donate to her campaign?... The people who have access to these politicians are the people who are spending the money.”